Steve

Feb 4 2014, 02:03 PM

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Almost one third marked "Violent Music".

I would say music is definitely worse, all these heavy metal bands screaming about death and murder etc a lot talk about it in a positive light I would say is definitely way worse. Some bands lyrics practically tell you to murder people and if you're schizophrenic or something of the like what's the difference between that and the voices you hear?

No offence to anyone that likes that kind of music just it's clearly not going to help someone who's already a bit broken mentally. Games just let you kill people they don't shout in your ear about it usually.


It bothers me that games get blamed but at the same time I don't really care for the thoughts of misguided fools, so long as games I like aren't getting banned because one a***** who played them a lot decided to murder people.

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What video game did Hitler play when he started the Holocaust? What video game did Stalin play during his mass murders? What video games did the ancient civilizations have when a massacre happened during ancient times?

Ketchupis Ultionis

Feb 5 2014, 05:06 AM

I listen to heavy metal all the time. My current favorite band is one that is blatantly Satanic (see the dude in my current Avatar), and I've never had the desire to kill or hurt anyone or slaughter goats in the name of the Anti-Christ. I'm an Atheist, so I enjoy this music, but think of the lyrics simply as art, and pure fantasy.

It's all about perception. Some people take it seriously, while others like myself simply see it as an art form and listen to it to be entertained.

Some people are easily influenced by things like that, while some aren't. It's not the object, it's the person.

Steve

Feb 5 2014, 12:55 PM

I didn't mean that as in that kind of music breeds murderers just that if somebody is at risk of becoming one, music shouting about blood and killing etc all the time is just going to fuel their dark thoughts further.
A vast amount of it is extremely graphic and describes things in detail and could steer you over to imagining these things applied to your family.

Hearts

Feb 5 2014, 07:21 PM

Steve

Feb 5 2014, 12:55 PM

I didn't mean that as in that kind of music breeds murderers just that if somebody is at risk of becoming one, music shouting about blood and killing etc all the time is just going to fuel their dark thoughts further.
A vast amount of it is extremely graphic and describes things in detail and could steer you over to imagining these things applied to your family.

No, just no.. The reason that someone whos close to becoming a murderer is not Videogames or music or any of the sort, thats just making a wild assumption with no basis.. Humans are easy manipulated but not the degree of manipulation that a Videogame about killing Russians will make you go mad, if 99.9999999% of the people (im not exaggerating, think i have to add a few more nines) who play CoD or Battlefield are sane, will be sane and has always been sane then theres no way anyone can blame videogames.

Someone who is about to become a murderer or a psycopath has only one thing to blame.. His own mind, he who keeps thinking to himself and then keeps thinking and thinking without doing anything, without talking to anyone will just get more and more irritated and pissed off, more and more angry at small things.
Same thing with people who are suicidal..
Im going to say something everyone says but these people are getting like that because they dont talk to anyone about it, and when i say this im not saying that talking about your troubles will help, im saying that getting a damn third opinion or point of view will make your ignorant mind open up.

Note, when im saying "you", i dont mean YOU, i mean that hypothetical suicidal person

ObsessiveFanGirl

Feb 5 2014, 10:06 PM

Hearts

Feb 5 2014, 07:21 PM

Steve

Feb 5 2014, 12:55 PM

I didn't mean that as in that kind of music breeds murderers just that if somebody is at risk of becoming one, music shouting about blood and killing etc all the time is just going to fuel their dark thoughts further.
A vast amount of it is extremely graphic and describes things in detail and could steer you over to imagining these things applied to your family.

No, just no.. The reason that someone whos close to becoming a murderer is not Videogames or music or any of the sort, thats just making a wild assumption with no basis.. Humans are easy manipulated but not the degree of manipulation that a Videogame about killing Russians will make you go mad, if 99.9999999% of the people (im not exaggerating, think i have to add a few more nines) who play CoD or Battlefield are sane, will be sane and has always been sane then theres no way anyone can blame videogames.

Someone who is about to become a murderer or a psycopath has only one thing to blame.. His own mind, he who keeps thinking to himself and then keeps thinking and thinking without doing anything, without talking to anyone will just get more and more irritated and pissed off, more and more angry at small things.
Same thing with people who are suicidal..
Im going to say something everyone says but these people are getting like that because they dont talk to anyone about it, and when i say this im not saying that talking about your troubles will help, im saying that getting a damn third opinion or point of view will make your ignorant mind open up.

Note, when im saying "you", i dont mean YOU, i mean that hypothetical suicidal person

Yeah, agreed.

But do you not believe that violent/sexual video games, television, movies, etc. have begun to de-synthesize (sp?) us to things like rape and murder? I'm not saying that these things cause murder, but they do make such acts appear less severe to some people, especially those who are constantly surrounded by such material. For example, people a century or so ago who had no access to violent/sexual media like video games and television were far more likely to be disturbed and outraged by the mere thought of things like rape and murder. Today, many of us hardly bat an eye.

As far as your comments go about psychology, you're right in saying that the murderer should blame himself to some extent, but his or her mind is not the only thing to blame. There could be a variety of factors involved - upbringing, experience, morality and beliefs, medication, doctors, psychological issues (like you said), etc. Not all situations are the same, so saying that the only cause is that "they don't talk to anyone about it" isn't correct. Many murders are done in the moment or in acts of passion. There's really no time to talk to anyone about it then. There are other situations as well.

I do not believe that all murderers are "ignorant," so your post is rather biased. Also, your comment about suicide came out of left field. What does suicide have to do with murder?

ObsessiveFanGirl

Feb 5 2014, 10:06 PM

Hearts

Feb 5 2014, 07:21 PM

Steve

Feb 5 2014, 12:55 PM

I didn't mean that as in that kind of music breeds murderers just that if somebody is at risk of becoming one, music shouting about blood and killing etc all the time is just going to fuel their dark thoughts further.
A vast amount of it is extremely graphic and describes things in detail and could steer you over to imagining these things applied to your family.

No, just no.. The reason that someone whos close to becoming a murderer is not Videogames or music or any of the sort, thats just making a wild assumption with no basis.. Humans are easy manipulated but not the degree of manipulation that a Videogame about killing Russians will make you go mad, if 99.9999999% of the people (im not exaggerating, think i have to add a few more nines) who play CoD or Battlefield are sane, will be sane and has always been sane then theres no way anyone can blame videogames.

Someone who is about to become a murderer or a psycopath has only one thing to blame.. His own mind, he who keeps thinking to himself and then keeps thinking and thinking without doing anything, without talking to anyone will just get more and more irritated and pissed off, more and more angry at small things.
Same thing with people who are suicidal..
Im going to say something everyone says but these people are getting like that because they dont talk to anyone about it, and when i say this im not saying that talking about your troubles will help, im saying that getting a damn third opinion or point of view will make your ignorant mind open up.

Note, when im saying "you", i dont mean YOU, i mean that hypothetical suicidal person

Yeah, agreed.

But do you not believe that violent/sexual video games, television, movies, etc. have begun to de-synthesize (sp?) us to things like rape and murder? I'm not saying that these things cause murder, but they do make such acts appear less severe to some people, especially those who are constantly surrounded by such material. For example, people a century or so ago who had no access to violent/sexual media like video games and television were far more likely to be disturbed and outraged by the mere thought of things like rape and murder. Today, many of us hardly bat an eye.

As far as your comments go about psychology, you're right in saying that the murderer should blame himself to some extent, but his or her mind is not the only thing to blame. There could be a variety of factors involved - upbringing, experience, morality and beliefs, medication, doctors, psychological issues (like you said), etc. Not all situations are the same, so saying that the only cause is that "they don't talk to anyone about it" isn't correct. Many murders are done in the moment or in acts of passion. There's really no time to talk to anyone about it then. There are other situations as well.

I do not believe that all murderers are "ignorant," so your post is rather biased. Also, your comment about suicide came out of left field. What does suicide have to do with murder?

lunar2

Feb 9 2014, 01:17 AM

ObsessiveFanGirl

Feb 5 2014, 10:06 PM

Hearts

Feb 5 2014, 07:21 PM

Steve

Feb 5 2014, 12:55 PM

I didn't mean that as in that kind of music breeds murderers just that if somebody is at risk of becoming one, music shouting about blood and killing etc all the time is just going to fuel their dark thoughts further.
A vast amount of it is extremely graphic and describes things in detail and could steer you over to imagining these things applied to your family.

No, just no.. The reason that someone whos close to becoming a murderer is not Videogames or music or any of the sort, thats just making a wild assumption with no basis.. Humans are easy manipulated but not the degree of manipulation that a Videogame about killing Russians will make you go mad, if 99.9999999% of the people (im not exaggerating, think i have to add a few more nines) who play CoD or Battlefield are sane, will be sane and has always been sane then theres no way anyone can blame videogames.

Someone who is about to become a murderer or a psycopath has only one thing to blame.. His own mind, he who keeps thinking to himself and then keeps thinking and thinking without doing anything, without talking to anyone will just get more and more irritated and pissed off, more and more angry at small things.
Same thing with people who are suicidal..
Im going to say something everyone says but these people are getting like that because they dont talk to anyone about it, and when i say this im not saying that talking about your troubles will help, im saying that getting a damn third opinion or point of view will make your ignorant mind open up.

Note, when im saying "you", i dont mean YOU, i mean that hypothetical suicidal person

Yeah, agreed.

But do you not believe that violent/sexual video games, television, movies, etc. have begun to de-synthesize (sp?) us to things like rape and murder? I'm not saying that these things cause murder, but they do make such acts appear less severe to some people, especially those who are constantly surrounded by such material. For example, people a century or so ago who had no access to violent/sexual media like video games and television were far more likely to be disturbed and outraged by the mere thought of things like rape and murder. Today, many of us hardly bat an eye.

As far as your comments go about psychology, you're right in saying that the murderer should blame himself to some extent, but his or her mind is not the only thing to blame. There could be a variety of factors involved - upbringing, experience, morality and beliefs, medication, doctors, psychological issues (like you said), etc. Not all situations are the same, so saying that the only cause is that "they don't talk to anyone about it" isn't correct. Many murders are done in the moment or in acts of passion. There's really no time to talk to anyone about it then. There are other situations as well.

I do not believe that all murderers are "ignorant," so your post is rather biased. Also, your comment about suicide came out of left field. What does suicide have to do with murder?

no, violent/sexual media do not desensitize us to violent crime.

prior to the 1970's it was actually legal for a man to rape his wife anywhere in the U.S.

in 1700's england, if a woman was not a virgin (whether or not she was married) she was considered fair game to be raped by anyone.

in biblical times, the punishment for raping a woman was to pay 50 pieces of silver to the woman's father and then marry her.

in many muslim countries, where sexual media is heavily censored (iran even banned many foods that were phallic or otherwise sex related), if a woman is raped, she is the one punished for having sex outside of marriage.

the italian vendetta is a centuries old tradition where you kill people over various offenses.

up until the 1800's duels were very common in british and british based societies, and were socially accepted.

in old english law, the punishment for any number of trivial crimes was death. life simply did not have a high value in that culture

so no, our modern society, which is inundated with violent and sexual media, is actually the most outraged by these types of behavior.

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No, just no.. The reason that someone whos close to becoming a murderer is not Videogames or music or any of the sort, thats just making a wild assumption with no basis.. Humans are easy manipulated but not the degree of manipulation that a Videogame about killing Russians will make you go mad, if 99.9999999% of the people (im not exaggerating, think i have to add a few more nines) who play CoD or Battlefield are sane, will be sane and has always been sane then theres no way anyone can blame videogames.

Someone who is about to become a murderer or a psycopath has only one thing to blame.. His own mind, he who keeps thinking to himself and then keeps thinking and thinking without doing anything, without talking to anyone will just get more and more irritated and pissed off, more and more angry at small things.
Same thing with people who are suicidal..
Im going to say something everyone says but these people are getting like that because they dont talk to anyone about it, and when i say this im not saying that talking about your troubles will help, im saying that getting a damn third opinion or point of view will make your ignorant mind open up.